Curse

Louis Ste Colombe · Aug 05, 2005, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by Guild-Hall Messenger

This will be my last post, unless PvP is fixed so we can enjoy it again.

That's the best part.

I almost wish PvP is not fixed so that would be truely your last post. Really that "unless" clause annoys me.

Louis,

MSecorsky · Aug 05, 2005, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Linkie

Why would a PvE player care if it was unlocked or not if he doesn't use PvP characters?

Because when you've taken a PvE char through the game and built up something you're proud of, what's the logical next step?

PvP.

Is it fair for a PvE char to then face characters that have everything in existance already just by merely existing?

To jack up the faction rate provides grotesque imbalancing in the PvP/PvE overlap.

SOT · Aug 05, 2005, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by Linkie

Why would a PvE player care if it was unlocked or not if he doesn't use PvP characters?

It begs the question: Half full or half empty?

Nice post

Drakron · Aug 05, 2005, 04:57 PM // 16:57

Because there is no end game, when we done with the storyline we have PvP.

The game pushes players to play PvP, look at HoH that have chests with weapons on it as a reward ... what is the use of such weapons for a PvP player?

What I point out is the fraction system greatly rewards PvP unlock system in relation to items and PvE simply lack a similar system.

So let me put this way, if you PvP people want PvE player to join "the fun" you expect such player to have somewhat equal equipment and with the fraction system its highly unlikely PvP players and PvE players have equal equipment, PvP have a advantage of items and PvE have a advantage of skills.

asdar · Aug 05, 2005, 04:58 PM // 16:58

I hope you're serious, I'll be counting the days and hope to never see another "fix this or I'll quit" Thread. Only five more days and another puffed up rooster will be gone.

Xellos · Aug 05, 2005, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by Blackace

MSecorsky for some reason every time you post I get the feeling you've never played this game

Oh please, you've never even went to GameFAQs probably. Two letters for your reaction: Q.Q

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oh you can't be serious.
you know you are in no position to set a deadline. As much as you like to. What if they don't make the deadline, you do what? Leave?
I'm sure they will sleepless nights from this ultimatum.

Don't underestimate the power of PANK, some have divine powers *cough*

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I actually read over this thread in its entirety after my post, and realized I was sucked into YET ANOTHER troll festival

You know, it's nice and all that GWG is such a friendly atmosphere, because we really need a place to settle this PVP vs PVE E-Peen crap.

Tigris Of Gaul · Aug 05, 2005, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by Linkie

Why would a PvE player care if it was unlocked or not if he doesn't use PvP characters?

Well, if he's talking about unlocking through PvE...

There are two systems for unlocking. Through PvE (leveling characters) and through PvP (faction). Leveling characters is far easier for unlocking skills and faction is far easier for unlocking items and runes.

They need to make them equal. So lower the costs of normal and elite skills to match how you get them through PvE, and instead of dropping armors and rare weapons in PvE drop unlocks.

Santanus_Perro · Aug 05, 2005, 05:12 PM // 17:12

I don't understand the whole PvP vs. PvE thing. Both sides think grass is greener on the other side. The whole argument is getting old. What is hurting PvP is that the average player can't find a group to play with, and when he/she does, they can't be competitive in any of the PvP areas where you can put a team together (non-random). Why is this? Because the people at the top want to stay at the top, so they don't mingle among the commoners to teach. Why is the Professional Golf Association doing so well. Because the thousands of golf pros love the game, and try to teach others how to play the game (alot of time for free).

The PvPers want a better PvP environment? Then step up and be leaders and teachers.

Drakron · Aug 05, 2005, 05:15 PM // 17:15

I propose they just drop the ID to unlock nonsense, I get a weapon and any mod on it gets unlocked if I dont have it.

I would also propose they give a purpose to the weapon crafters in the game by allowing then to either sell upgrades or craft upgrades.

Then they can lower fraction for skills.

Aug 05, 2005, 05:17 PM // 17:17

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

So, uber-genious, you're requiring that someone build a specific farmer character then just to be able to keep up with the PvP faction system?

Um...no. Dont take words out of context. You can just play through PvE normally and have enough gold and SP to unlock skills faster than you can through farming faction. It requires no effort at all.

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Sounds like there's too much benefit to faction then, if the PvE'r has to develop a farmer and spend countless time trying to find that specific item, or over spend to some other farmer that happened to find one.

The benefit to faction is that you get to pick what you want. This is where a PvE cannot compete with it, because they cant pick what drops they get combined with the fact that getting a rare drop with the right mod is pretty much non-existant. You dont have to farm, you just do what most of the smart people do: recogonize the strength of each path and use it to your fullest. That still doesn't change the fact that a PvP player can't unlock anything until they've invested a significant amount of time in PvE.

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The faction system is a good thing for the PvP crowd. Plenty powerful. No need to jack it up to rediculous levels because some folks want it all and want it now.

The faction system is decent for hardcore players and terrible for everyone else. No need to once again, come off clueless because you dont like PvP players.

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Originally Posted by Drakron

That is damn lie and you know it, even if a player farm the gold he have to find someone selling the item he is looking for and ID items are NOT unlocked, the player have to buy a un-ID weapon and hope it have something he have not unlocked yet.

There is no PvE equivalent of fraction for PvP in relation to weapon mods and runes.

First of all, why would you need to farm gold in PvE? It's easy as hell to rack up gold in PvE since you only need to spend it on Armor, or a weapon up if you dont get lucky. Other than that, gold easily is left over for skills. The limiting things are skill points which are what comes closest to farm bait. Notice for PvE I said SKILLS and not weapons or runes. LEARN HOW TO READ.

[QUOTE=Drakron]That is damn lie and you know it, even if a player farm the gold he have to find someone selling the item he is looking for and ID items are NOT unlocked, the player have to buy a un-ID weapon and hope it have something he have not unlocked yet.

There is no PvE equivalent of fraction for PvP in relation to weapon mods and runes.

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And what word he used ?

Was it skills?

No it was ITEMS, he never touched skills since we KNOW it can be faster to unlock skills in PvE.

"We" dont know anything since it's quite obvious all of us dont think on the same page here. Like I said I already know item mods are easier for PvP, but that doesn't automatically mean Faction is solid gold. You still need to progress in a tiered format for unlocks, the good thing about PvE is that if you do get an item drop your highest find is automatically unlocked.

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What he said?

ITEMS!

Basicly you just shown you cannot read other people posts because his examples was that PvP can get ANY item at ANY time as long they have enough fraction and that is something PvE simply do not, the unlock system penalizes PvE players since they have to ID items to have then unlocked.

look who's talking about can not read. PvP player can not get ANY item at ANY time because it's a tiered system and the only way to unlock fast faction is through GvG gank. See, this is what happens when you post nonsense with bitterness in your dark heart towards PvP players-you come off making asinine statements. PvE players actuall have chance at unlocking everything in the game by just doing PvE. PvP players cant unlock anything until they have done a lot of PvE. So once again-why are you bitching?

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Too bad common sense was posted before ... you simply did not read it.

Hi, I'm shit, and I like to come into PvP rant topics and throw temper tantrums at anyone who doesn't love Gaile.

Drakron · Aug 05, 2005, 05:27 PM // 17:27

Easy to get gold in PvE?

Have you played the game?

borkbork · Aug 05, 2005, 05:31 PM // 17:31

Gold is quite easy to get in PvE... I have so much gold, yet so little skill points...

Think about it. Without farming for xp, you're not going to get anywhere close to enough skill points to unlock stuff on your character at the end game. You might only have enough for the elites. Maybe barely enough. Anything else requires hours of bashing mobs, boring UW runs, just so you can unlock a skill.

LoneDust · Aug 05, 2005, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by Drakron

Easy to get gold in PvE?

Have you played the game?

Are you trying to say that you are having difficulty gathering gold in-game?
PM me your in-game name and I'll give you 1 plat to help you finish crafting your yak's bend armor.

Xonic · Aug 05, 2005, 05:36 PM // 17:36

Can I post a deadline too?

by Aug 15, 2005, all my characters need to be level 30 with max dmg + 10 weapons and 30k armor, and with all skills unlocked including elite ones.

Aug 05, 2005, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Drakron

Easy to get gold in PvE?

Have you played the game?

You cant be serious? I know your not having trouble getting gold in game...

Drakron · Aug 05, 2005, 05:39 PM // 17:39

No its not ... I hate people that make a Monk/whatever and go farm a area and say "I have so much gold, its easy" ... sure its easy because you are using a build designed to farm only.

Thats why Monks vanish from missions around ascention, they are too busy farming.

Not to say about the ones that got rich in the gold giant boots days, before the nerfs.

Regular players dont do it, they make a character and play the game and they end up with around 20-30k in the end, sure its a nice amount of money if the game economy was not shoot to hell and drops did not suck.

Xellos · Aug 05, 2005, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by Drakron

Easy to get gold in PvE?

Have you played the game?

Your a brave lad, but ye will not survive the night when BlackAce comes back aye.

I mean, seriously, you do realize that you literally killed your credibility on this forum as "someone who has played the game" right?

Edit: EEEEEPPPP, Zee BlackAce has already begun teh slaughter!! Run for yer lifeshhzzz!

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Regular players dont do it, they make a character and play the game and they end up with around 20-30k in the end, sure its a nice amount of money if the game economy was not shoot to hell and drops did not suck.

I made a warrior after all those nerfs, and it has like, 50k in the personal storage alone. 15k armour, and uh yeah really good stuff I bought at LA trades. I played a total of 34 hours with it. I don't know what game your playing, but clearly you've been using that cash somewhere *cough* dwarven ale and lapdance *cough*

warren_kn · Aug 05, 2005, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by borkbork

Gold is quite easy to get in PvE... I have so much gold, yet so little skill points...

Think about it. Without farming for xp, you're not going to get anywhere close to enough skill points to unlock stuff on your character at the end game. You might only have enough for the elites. Maybe barely enough. Anything else requires hours of bashing mobs, boring UW runs, just so you can unlock a skill.

Wow, I didnt realise this was a problem. I went through the game with my first character and unlocked all of the skills for her (Mo/R). I didnt do any farming to get extra exp. to generate more skill points, the exp. gained from playing the game "normally" was enough.

Aug 05, 2005, 05:46 PM // 17:46

Um...no. You dont have to farm PvE to make a lot of gold. You can just progress through PvE normally if you dont really care about armor(like my 30AL Elementalist sitting somewhere in the Ring of Fire) or just make money off of other players by buying and selling aka bargaining. The other way is just grinding for SP which results in high amounts of gold. See, this is what I mean by jumping to conclusions.

Xellos · Aug 05, 2005, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by warren_kn

Wow, I didnt realise this was a problem. I went through the game with my first character and unlocked all of the skills for her (Mo/R). I didnt do any farming to get extra exp. to generate more skill points, the exp. gained from playing the game "normally" was enough.

You had around 100-150 skill points total when you beat the game? Hot damn, I didn't know you could level up that much.